Green ban

Bec, why do you think, like, what really, why are we doing this? What's really important that you think people are going to get out of this interview? I had a lot of fun.

Yeah, look, it was very energising, in particular to hear about this moment in history of the Green Bans, which you'll hear more about soon.

Just what they were, what allowed them to build and turn into what they were, which was just an exceptional case of unionism in Australia.

And what's different now and what we can take as lessons from that and apply to now.

And so there's sort of dual power in a way.

Yeah.

But one of the ways we came at it was through this thing called the Green Bans.

And Sam, what we'd really love to do in the first instance, imagine someone's listening at home right now.

Your typical watermelon is someone like Lee Rhiannon, your tree Tory is allegedly someone like Bob Brown.

Now I think they're really reductive terms and you can find exceptions in every possible case in this, but generally speaking, The New South Wales branch of the Greens have a history much more tied into disaffected Labour voters, often tied to the union movement, movements like the Green Bans situation, a much more class politics first focus version of politics.

The incredible environmental work from Tasmania is often dismissed as treetories.

People are focused on the environment but are a little clueless or are less interested in matters of class, politics and, well, socialism or some kind of anti-capitalist politics.