How do you deal with that?

Yeah, so diversity, we use a lot of different rotations and even companioning into crops.

We find If we have one species growing, usually you're fighting against nature and you have a lot more weed pressure and disease and insect pressure.

So sometimes we'll add companions and things where we see a reduction in disease, but also nutrition and biology.

Probably 20 years ago, we sort of started on this path and my first job was boom spray operator.

And all we were doing is managing symptoms, you know, spraying diseases, things like that.

And as we started addressing nutrition, we were getting more know balance in so not just focusing on phosphorus and nitrogen adding you know boron and manganese and zinc and all these things and then we do a lot of foliar nutrition on to sort of balance the plants we just after that approach after a few years we just started seeing a massive reduction in these symptoms and diseases to the point where we haven't used the fungicide for nearly probably 18 20 years now

what does your property look like compared with 20 years ago? Some of the farms that I've been on that are into regenerative agriculture I get a little bit irritated by the amounts of weeds I can see.

Um, can you share your experiences over there, and what did you learn?

Yeah, no, it was really awesome.

Um, we went over there for, you know, a few weeks and went to three different conferences, um, No-Till on the Plains and the High Country one.

Um, and it was really good just to get a group of guys from sort of scattered across from New South Wales, Victoria and South Australia in two cars together, driving around, and you go to a conference and you learn all this stuff, and you have a few beers that night and, and just we, we probably developed some really strong friendships out of that that still continue to this day.

But for me it was really reaffirming what I was already doing on, on our farm, which was nice.

But the funny thing was like I'd, you know, when we, I first joined Vic No-Till, we'd been running sheep for 100 years and, um, we, we got rid of them because the livestock was sort of a dirty word in those days.

Like, um, and we went, you know, controlled traffic and deseeding.

Would you like to share a bit about what you're doing and, and the results that you're getting?