Graham Arthur

Or they might have played seconds or thirds or a few senior games, but whose impact on the club is profound.

So the challenge was to weigh up what a, you know, a Graham Arthur, for example, the first premiership captain, compares to a Sandy Ferguson, who was the president at the time.

I mean, they're the sort of conversations I had with myself and with a few people I did consult, a few other people.

Hawthorne people out there about how do you weigh up these contributions? You know, I'm reasonably happy with the outcome.