Just put together.

Yeah, but he wasn't like, you know, he wasn't like, he didn't dress in fancy clothes.

He was a very humble guy.

So he calls me up one day, or he tells me at church, I don't remember, but he said, hey, I need for you to come by my office tomorrow, and I want to have a conversation with you.

I go, okay, but in my mind I'm thinking, because I would go to church stoned because it was funny, you know.

Um, so I went, I'm thinking in my mind, okay, he's found out, you know, what I'm doing.

He's going to bust me.

Yeah.

[laughs]

You're now my favorite, so, uh, but it, it's saying that I'm, I may be guilty, but I'm not as guilty as you.

And so when I go, when I work through this, like the step studies, and I'm doing it with other people, and trust me, th- Phyllis's book illustrated this, there's so much trauma, and especially childhood trauma, that people are enduring.

They've been sexually abused.

I never was.

Uh, they were beaten by a drunken father.

I never was.

Mm.

So I, my early, that's my, where my brain is going as you're kinda introducing this thought.

Well, um, I was just thinking about how you weren't striving to be practical maybe, but, um, you said that we go on the attack, it's a survival skill.

And ironically, um, I've been praying for God to give me a vision for other people, to see them in the way that He sees them.

And, um, and I've [laughs] gotta be hon- I gotta be honest, I've been kinda bragging about it.

Like, you know, I just see, I'm just really trying to see people as God sees them, and I thought I'd made a lot of progress.

But, um, and I'm doing a Celebrate Recovery group on Monday night with a bunch of guys, and we talk about this kinda thing.

But last Monday, I went to get s- some new glasses, and while I'm talking to Elaine, who's the lady at the eyeglass place, there's this other guy sitting off to the side by himself, missing teeth, and he's got broken glasses.

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