Go

I remember the first time I heard about it really working was AlphaGo in 2016.

[instrumental music] A Google super computer has beaten the world's best player at the 3,000-year-old Chinese board game called Go.

So that was when DeepMind's Go playing AI beat Lee Sedol, the champion Go player, in a match.

The aim of the game is to capture as much territory as possible on a 19 by 19 square grid.

And that was pretty crazy.

There are more possible moves on the board than atoms in the universe.

I studied math in college, but I sucked at Go.

It was, like, exciting to hear that AI could win at that.

But it's still a form of, of concrete understanding.

But another interesting angle there as well is you were talking about the difference between, um, possibly human knowledge and AI knowledge.

Because I was speaking with, um, Tom McGrath at Goodfire, he did interpretability on, on Alpha Zero, and his, his idea is very much that these things are learning the space of human concepts and beyond, and we could actually mine those representations as a, as a new form of science.

So these things are discovering interesting things that perhaps we would discover but haven't discovered yet, and we could actually use this as a laboratory for discovering interesting new knowledge.

Mm-hmm.

And so there's a historical aspect of this place.

You know, AI was also partly birthed here with DeepMind and there was the Lee Soo Dol kind of first DeepMind moment where it was for the first time that everyone saw that AI could actually do things that we thought were just for humans, like the game of Go.

And then the talent base here is fantastic.

One, it's very diverse.

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This is The Going Long Podcast with Billy Keels.

I love being able to share the different things that I am doing or the things that I'm reading or the people that I'm interacting with here on the podcast because this is a way for you to recognize just the day-to-day things that are happening or that are being done.

There's a constant reflection in the things that you are going through on a day to day basis.

first on the personal side i won't get into much detail but there were some more significant things that happened with family medical situation um a new diagnosis which was definitely a big one and something that i think my whole family had to adjust to so that was um very intense but um just makes you realize that you can't take things for granted can't obviously live every day like it's like it's your last, but, um, yeah, that's, um, yeah, it was something that was pretty heavy.

It actually affected my ability to go to the us go Congress, which is the first Congress I've ever gone to of any Congress.

and really the first Go-related event I've gone to outside of going to like an informal Go club meetup or going to play Go with somebody.

So that was actually a really fun event.

It got a little bit cut short because of the family matter, family medical matter, but It was a lot of fun with my dad and one of my sons.

That was more earlier in the summer in July.

August, that didn't happen quite as much.

And one thing I just did a day or two ago is I wanted to ask the anybody that was willing to answer in the Go community online, whether these unscripted episodes were something that should continue.

It is.

And DeepMind took that Atari success and scaled it up massively in 2016 with AlphaGo.

Ah, AlphaGo.

Okay.

So this was an AI designed to play the ancient board game Go.

So it's playing clones of itself, getting better every single match.

Exactly.

And when AlphaGo faced the human world champion Lee Seattle, it didn't just win.

Just click a bunch.

Well, the next game is, I believe it would be IGO.

I don't think it's IGO.

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