Gnesio-Lutherans

Right? And then the conversation was, "Well, do we do these things?" And there was a split.

Some group, uh, was it the Ph- uh, Philippists? Not the, the Geni- I forget what those terms are.

The Gnesio-Lutherans on the one hand, and the Philippists on the other hand.

And then you had folks in between.

But the, you had the, the Augsburg and Leipzig interims-

That would be similar to the kind of arguments that are often made in our day, that these things are just adiaphora, so we can do them or not do them, it doesn't matter.

Uh, ironically, uh, the Formula of Concord, Article 10, essentially says that, "No, under these circumstances that's not, that's not the case," that, um, you know, when you're being put under pressure to adopt these things by heterodox groups, uh, we, we actually ought to resist adopting these practices y- which in themselves are free, but in this context are going to give the wrong impression, give the wrong connotation.

So the argument on the part of the more, I guess you could say, conservative Lutherans, the Gnesio-Lutherans, was, "No, to reintroduce these practices is going to give the appearance that we're essentially in agreement with the, with the Papists, which is not true.