I guess I'm s- curious about like what you were feeling in that moment, and obviously like what actually happened to you.

Mm.

Um, I remember that entire experience minute for minute, second for second.

I remember that very, very, uh, clearly.

Um, and I'm gonna try and tell you about it not in the way that I usually talk about it, because I know that there's like room for nuance here in, in this dis- this discussion, and usually I, I kinda say the same thing every time, 'cause I've probably told the story like 2,000 times [laughs] at this point.

So I'm gonna try and actually be present while I tell it.

Um, I remember being really excited to be with my sister again, 'cause I'd been abroad, and it was like the reunion moment.

... of thousands of people that follow you, that expect you to be kind of one voice on one thing when you're actually a human that is multifaceted and evolving and changing.

What would you give credit to the growth of your firm? Was there anything in particular that you focused on and you saw it take off? Well,

I've kind of been known as, you know, in creating Pinwheel as having...

Seizing the opportunities as they come up.

I mean, I was I've kind of dabbled in a lot of knowledge over the years.

I have family members that have are disabled due to illness and one of injury.

My father's in the financial industry and banking.

So I kind of always had like the knowledge about that.

What does this statement mean to you and how has it shaped the vision of your business?

I'm surprised it wasn't an offence to start with.

Yeah, a lot of people were, so was I.

In 2017, I was at a festival with my sister and a group of men at the festival were... chatting to me and Stevie and then eventually they became overly sexual and were making advances on me and my sister and I rejected those advances and then a few moments later they took upskirt photos of me without my knowledge and I saw the photo because they sent it to all of their friends around me in the crowd And I was super humiliated and upset and I snatched the phone and, you know, raised awareness to it and managed to run away to the security with the phone, the picture and one of the guys following me.

And when I got to security, they called the police and the police basically said, oh, it's not a sexual offence.

We don't know what we can do here.

And I spent 18 months after that point fighting to bring in the law and brought in the Voyeurism Act in England and Wales.

I mean, how are AI or how is AI involved in all of this?

AI is central to MetaGlasses, and it's like a central system now to so much of our technology.

I'm surprised it wasn't an offence to start with.

Yeah, a lot of people were, so was I.

In 2017 I was at a festival with my sister and a group of men at the festival were chatting to me and Stevie and then eventually they became overtly sexual and were making advances on me and my sister and I rejected those advances and then a few moments later they took obscure photos of me without my knowledge and I saw the photo because they sent it to all of their friends around me in the crowd And I was super humiliated and upset and I snatched the phone and, you know, raised awareness to it and managed to run away to the security with the phone, the picture and one of the guys following me.

And when I got to security, they called the police and the police basically said, oh, it's not a sexual offence.

We don't know what we can do here.

And I spent 18 months after that point fighting to bring in the law and brought in the Voyeurism Act in England and Wales.

Wow.

I mean, how are AI or how is AI involved in all of this?

So what was your kinda journey like in that? What was your experience of trying to get in the door, get people to listen? Um, I mean, was it an open door for a lot of people, or was it really hard work to get anybody's-

It was hard.

Oh, it was hard work, but I think it would've been har...

It's, it's, it's very unique how hard it is for different people and why to make changes, I feel like.

It's very, it's like a fingerprint, each campaign.

I don't think it's com...

Uh, you know, my experience of changing the law and the law reform is gonna be so different to someone else's experience.

Mm.

But especially people who are high performers, executive leadership development, they get terminal illnesses, life-threatening illnesses, and they work through it.

And I do.

And believe it or not, I have clients that are working and getting treatment for cancer.

Because at the end of the day, we have to realize that.

And I think I've realized early on in my journey is everyone's cancer journey is unique.

And each of our abilities to handle grief, to handle pain.

illness to handle a journey like this is going to be different, right? And let me tell you, I struggle because I was a high achiever.

And so how does it look like? I know you have this beautiful nonprofit that you created, which you like to share about Own Your Next.