Gillian Clarke

actually all ages but particularly young women who they noted as being possibly the next Poet Laureate or they were in that kind of calibre of creativity.

So I went for that list and I started there with the help of Caroline Duffy and Gillian Clarke who was then the National Poet of Wales and then there was Jackie Kay who was the MACA National Poet of

Scotland

and so they were all three at that time through the UK they were all female laureates and that was that's never been