Gideon Levy

I, I don't know what the public opinion polling says in Israel now, but it is, it is around, I think, 90% of Israeli Jews will...

Y- you've got, uh, uh, maybe Gideon Levy and, and a couple of other people there [laughs] who would push back on it.

Um-

Yeah.

You're welcome.

Let's discuss this with, uh, Gideon Levy.

He's an Israeli journalist and columnist with the Haaretz newspaper.

Welcome to DW.

And, uh, and Gaza is not forgotten in Israel because Gaza was never remembered in Israel.

Thank you for talking us through that, Gideon.

Gideon Levy from Haaretz Newspaper.

Thank you for having me.

Well, I'll refer you to a recent op-ed by...

Gideon Levy, one of the greatest Israelis alive today, a man for whom I have immense respect, he said this is all kabuki theater.

It's all kabuki theater.

If you want to actually put an end to the Holocaust, you have to hold responsible the ultimate decision makers in Israeli politics, which means Netanyahu, it means Israel cats, it means the Israeli military leadership, Halevi, everybody at the top of the political and military hierarchy, which is precisely what they've attempted to do with respect to Russia and Iran.

Um, now, uh, even if they, even if they did impose, uh, really, uh, you know, devastating sanctions on businesses that are operating the settlements, the countries that signed on to this thing...

And you don't have to believe me when I say this, by the way, because this was an opinion that was expressed by Gideon Levy in Haaretz himself.

Mm.

And I commend to you an article that he wrote recently in which he discussed this.

And to other countries outside of Europe, and, uh, uh, and, and, and not to Canada.

Canada's, you know, uh, the, the percentage of, uh, exports, uh, that Canada accounts for coming out of the settlements is absolutely minuscule.

So what really needs to happen here, uh, and again, Gideon Levy expressed this view very persuasively, I am completely in agreement with him-

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And the United States is responsible.

So you have to conclude once again that the guilty party in the world, as people like Gideon Levy keep saying, and elsewhere, is the United States.

Israel is the culprit, maybe in the scene, I think out of control, even with regard to Trump, which isn't hard to do.

As he said, he's engaged on seven fronts and seven wars, and he's winning them all.

Go ahead.

Well, it's interesting that you say that because, you know, Gideon Levy, the great Israeli journalist, he says that everyone who was for the two-state solution, um, now is for it because they know it's not possible.

And when it was possible, they were against it.

Right.

Yeah.

I mentioned Haaretz because I interviewed, uh, Gideon Levy, I think two or three times, and he told me that there were two times in his, in his life that he actually needed bodyguards-

Uh-huh

... ba- because, because of his writing, yeah?

There's Professor E.L. Weitzman of the Forensic Architecture.

There's other writers, for example, there's David Grossman, there's Gideon Levy, there is Ofer Kasif.

These are all Israeli entities, all of which have said that it is genocide.

And then there are endless entities outside of Israel, academic, institutional, that have all said it meets the definition.