Giacomo Zucco

Here's who we got coming up on tomorrow's show.

Giacomo Zucco, president of Plan B Network.

Eleanor Tarrant, host of Crypto in America.

Samson Mao, CEO of Jan3.

He, he suggested I come to, uh, Lugano next year for the Bitcoin conference-

Yeah, but this looks like the other Zucco, Giacomo Zucco [laughs]

That's Wakamo, Wakamo Zucco.

[laughs] Yeah.

Yep.

Two, two Zucco.

A different Zucco

Different one.

And by the...

No, not Giacomo Zucco.

No. That's why, that's why I said Giacomo when you said that.

No, no, no, no.

And now it's like the top university, the top polytechnic in Russia for IT and computer science.

But he suggested Giacomo Zucco, who we had known for quite a few years from the early Bitcoin conferences.

And I was like, Giacomo, I thought he was like just a troll.

What is he? No, but he's transformed.

So, you know, they probably have more room for that kind of experimentation.

Yeah, but the funny-- one funny thing was, so, you know, I'm talking to, um, Giacomo Zucco, who's a well-known Bitcoiner, who I've known on Twitter for a long time, but we met in person.

We were having a, an in-depth talk about contract theory and property rights and libertarian stuff and, and, uh, Bitcoin and, uh, this woman who's just a total normie, like she's a human-- a European human rights lawyer from, from Iceland, I think.

And, uh, she was listening to us talk and we're obviously intelligent and successful, so we're...

So, you know, they probably have more room for that kind of experimentation.

Yeah, but the funny th- one funny thing was, so, you know, I'm talking to, um, Giacomo Zucco, who's a well-known Bitcoiner, who I've known on Twitter for a long time, but we met in person.

We were having a, an in-depth talk about contract theory and property rights and libertarian stuff and, and, uh, Bitcoin and, uh, this woman, who's just a total normie, like she's a human-- a European human rights lawyer from, from Iceland, I think, and, uh, she was listening to us talk and we're obviously intelligent and successful, so we're...

but we sound like raving lunatics because we're just bashing the state and talking about anarchy and about anarchic systems and sh- like she couldn't wrap her head around the fact that she's like, "Well, wait, but that's not democratic." And we're like, "Yeah, we're not demo-- we're not in favor of democracy." And she was totally perplexed that we could be what she thought of as liberals, but we're against democracy, 'cause she conflates those things, right? 'Cause democracy and capitalism, liberalism, they all, all go together.