When you observe from a change lens or from an execution lens, what is it do you think we consistently get wrong? So first

of all, I'd say if you look at the Gallup data, it didn't start off great.

So it's got slightly worse, but it was never great to start off with.

Engagement's never been like super high or anything like that.

Most people are not engaged at work and kind of never have been if you look at that kind of research.

I think one of the biggest challenges is Those broadly responsible for people in an organization, I think, and again, this is backed up by quite a lot of research, 2026 research, do not sit close enough to execution.

There is a chasm that exists in many of the global companies that I work with between HR teams, people teams, and the C-suite and the board.

going to be using that one internally i like it but yeah if you can be seen to be doing that and you're doing it well that is the trust you need right now people need to believe in their leaders they need to believe in our competence because everywhere we can see incompetent leaders so they need to believe that we can do it