Gerhard Steenekamp

That guy loved it.

[laughs] I thought there was, it looks like Gerhard Steenekamp just walked into the stand there.

He's like Joshua Doore.

[laughs] Yeah.

But when it comes to a series and the way we grow into the series, I think he's picked the right team, the right 23 for this particular occasion, and I think you will see a Jan-Hendrik Wessels back in the mix in the last two.

But he needed to know that Gerhard Steenekamp must, is gonna come on, and he's gonna get 30 minutes and consistently 30 after Big Ox comes off, and he knows that when Wilke comes off, Zach Porter is on the up, but Thomas du Toit was one of the players of the year, uh, for Bath, and he's now moved to the Sharks.

It's just, it's a far stronger bench for me and a far more experienced bench in closing out a game.

No, as you talk about this week's team is definitely, I think, better balanced and better prepped for test rugby.

Handré Pollard starting, I sort of get that.

But the whole bench is basically different except for Gerhard Steenekamp and André Esterhuizen.

What's the thinking about that?

Well, you know how you can have laws and you can have, uh, rules at work, but until someone gets fired, you know, no one really thinks it's big.