Gerald Horne

and follow the british empire and then the nazis and you know fascist japan

nazis nazis like we wish we could do that You know what I mean? Like when Gerald Horne said that, you know, it's actually more historically accurate to call neo-Nazis neo-Americans.

That shows you how how dastardly this empire has perfected this type of violence.

So, yeah, I'm with you.

I'll give you just one quick example.

I had my graduate students this semester read some chapters from Gerald Horne's Counter-Revolution of 1776.

And Gerald Horne's such an interesting scholar, such a polymath, and makes a lot of fascinating points in that book.

But my students loved it.

It felt to them like the British had the high ground and the colonists had the low ground, were the bad guys.

Proud to be black men.

Dr. Gerald Horne is the John Jay and Rebecca Moore's Chair of History and American Studies at the University of Houston.

His research addresses issues of race, internationalism, politics, civil rights, and the global connection between developments in Asia, Africa, the United States, and Europe.

In the last two years, Dr. Horne has penned several books focusing on the Americas, Race to the Revolution, The U.S. and Cuba During Slavery, and Jim Crow.

But by that time, you have the Jewish population that had fled from the Iberian Peninsula to the Netherlands, to Brazil, then to Jamaica, and then to Manhattan.

Okay.

We're speaking with Dr. Gerald Horne.

He is John Jay and Rebecca Moore's Chair of History and American Studies at the University of Houston.

Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned Germany.

I got tweets from a couple of our listeners out in London that wanted me to get in touch with Gerald Horne because the Reform Party there, which is right of the right wing party, the conservative party in the UK, they've gotten...

Billions of dollars from an American crypto person and adding fuel to the fire there to foment what's going on in the UK.

And they're concerned.

They're watching to see how their people will deal with it if they reject this new reform party.

led by Nigel Farage, if they're going to, and this is a question they asked me to ask Dr. Horne, so next time Gerald Horne is on, we're going to deal with this issue for them.

But yeah, because that money too, they're coming to influence British elections, just like what they possibly probably did in Germany.

So it is a global

Right.

And there's some things going on in Trinidad and Tobago that most of the folks, you know, Dr. Gerald Horne shares with us some of the problems or some of the issues, I have to say, that are taking place there now with your prime minister is sort of a cozying up to Donald Trump and that has sort of ruffled some feathers with the rest of the Caribbean nations.

Can you share what's going on with us, with the family?

Yes, sure.

A minority oppressed for centuries would not exchange racial loyalties for class ones so easily.

Liberal and radical African-American scholars such as Gerald Horne and Manning Marable highlighted the extent to which African-Americans who comprised a disproportionately high percentage of inner city residents experienced much higher levels of crime, poverty and deprivation than their white counterparts.

Other studies of the 1990s demonstrated the alarming extent of both individuals and institutionalized racism in America in American law enforcement agencies.

Well, the human cost of inner city decay was made clear in a series of revelations by journalists and street gang members, which showed the disturbing levels of alienation and violence in ghetto youth culture.

because you can kind of redistribute the land, you can kind of recreate a kind of solidarity based on whiteness against the indigenous population, and obviously in the case of the United States, against the enslaved.

And we see this, whether it's the United States, whether it was Australia, Gerald Horne has done a lot of great work on this, especially in terms of the United States, where you see that in Europe, people are constantly fighting each other, whether it's along class lines, along religious lines, but within the United States, they can kind of find this new solidarity.

based on whiteness.

And because the class tensions are kind of diffused there, they've also become much more effective imperialists outside of their own borders.

Warren hates hip hop.

I challenge anyone that there's so many Gerald Horne fans because of the 1776 book, but you know, read what he had to say about rap.

Not a fan.

Stanley Crouch, you know, he's a bit of a conservative, but still those guys were not fans of

There are-- There is a tradition that is informed in the mid-twentieth century by Marxism, you know, thinking of Herbert Aptheker, and then up through, you know, in, in-- when we get into African American studies, uh, uh, understanding slave revolts in, in a much more central [inhales] way to the American story.

So, uh, Gerald Horne's work comes to mind here as a good example.

So there, there are certainly examples of people who are thinking of things, uh, in this way.

But, you know, I do think there, there had been a, a disjuncture between the consensus historians' understanding of what American history was and what exceptions to that story were, or perhaps side stories, and that was, you know, heavily white middle class story.