Mm.

And if we're all being honest, as a young guy, like all I wanted to do was be successful.

I wanted to make a lot of money.

And my dad was like someone I looked up to.

Now he sold vehicles, he sold buses, like um, converted minibuses and things like that, and I didn't wanna do that.

I'd worked with, worked with him on the weekends and tried to figure things out with that, 'cause he made good money doing that, like really good money.

Like he drove a Range Rover, and had a, had a beautiful house, and I'd bring like my friends to the house and they'd be like, "Oh, this guy's sick.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Which, yeah, I understand on the grand s- scheme of things, it's not huge, but from where I was from, that was huge.

That was a light bulb moment as, like, a teenager that like, oh, there is more to it than what I can see in the town that I'm in.

So that really started me thinking, like, how do I do this kinda shit, like, young age, young age.

Went to college.

I knew I wanted to do something to do with art.

I tried to work for my dad all my life.

So what was that moment like for you and what were some of the, you know, maybe initial challenges that you had to face, uh, early on to get things going?

But the reality is, is they're just not dedicating themselves enough.

Yeah, absolutely.

I think, like I said at the start, like, the, the way the world is perceived and the way you look at your phone and see what people are doing and how they're achieving things and everything is a highlight reel, right? It, it makes you want it faster.

And, and that's always been a part of humanity, and that's the way we are wired.

We want things now, right? Delayed gratification is the perfect example of not doing that and not looking left and right when you're on a path going forward.

And you can look at people that jump from brand to brand, business to business every couple of years, and they end up never getting anywhere in life 'cause they're just going like this, right? Whereas if they just stay on that one path, eventually they'll get to an, a, a successful place, and that's guaranteed.

No one who doesn't work for 50 years at the exact same thing that they own will not succeed.

Like why do you go to that? And it's like, well, it's something beyond just the product.

No way, just running with him towards the end of the race, right? I just did

80k the day before he finished, and I couldn't walk for a month.

And this was when I was talking to you and watching all your shit, and I was just like, I was...

I couldn't understand what it does to the body.

But now when I start actually adding volume in, I get it a little bit.

Like now when I go into marathon blocks properly and run the race and like enjoy the race and then two days later I can run great again.

I understand how you build the volume up.

So it's almost like, how do you answer that fully? How would you answer that?