is coming in.

So there's a real sense in the book that she's wrestling with this idea on the one hand that human beings need to order the world in order to survive, in order to have meaning, in order to have community, in order to have healthy people.

And yet there's a certain denial at the root of that effort that is pushing the natural world away.

And Sylvie has this remarkable capacity to connect with the natural world that you see is harder for the grandmother, for other characters who who are trying so hard to order it.

And I think she's kind of playing with that tension as a sort of paradox in human life.

I mean, I couldn't help read it through the lens of environmental thinking because the way she's describing the natural world is so that you realize that it's a protagonist in this story.

And when we interviewed her the very first time, I mean, we spent quite a bit of time on housekeeping.

It sounds great.