George Grote
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Sep 20, 2026
Donald KaganHOST
If you look at people say English men writing about ancient Greece in the late eighteenth century, they tell the story of the early days based upon the legends as though the legends were reliable information to some degree.
Donald KaganHOST
When you get to say the middle of the nineteenth century and the work of the great English historian of ancient Greece, George Grote, He begins his story in 776 with the Olympic Games.
Donald KaganHOST
He does tell you all about the legends first, but he puts them aside and says they're just legends, now let's talk history, and he doesn't begin that until the eighth century B.C.
Donald KaganHOST
So, there is this critical school that says I won't believe anything unless it is proven to me.
Donald KaganHOST
At the other extreme, there's me.
Donald KaganHOST
the most gullible historian imaginable.
Donald KaganHOST
My principle is this, I believe anything written in ancient Latin or Greek, unless I can't.
Donald KaganHOST
Now, things that prevent me from believing what I read are they are internally contradictory, or what they say is impossible.
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John Stuart Mill was born on the 20th of May,
Bill BorstNARRATOR
1806. i am glad wrote george grote to him in eighteen sixty five with reference to a forthcoming article on his examination of sir william hamilton's philosophy to get an opportunity of saying what i think about your system of logic and essay on liberty but i am still more glad to get or perhaps to make an opportunity of saying something about your father It has always rankled in my thoughts that so grand and powerful a mind as his left behind it such insufficient traces in the estimation of successors.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
That regret was natural.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
The grand and powerful mind of James Mill left very notable traces, however, in the philosophical literature of his country, and in the training of the son who was to carry on his work, and to be the most influential teacher in a new school of thought and action by which society is likely to be revolutionized far more than it has been by any other agency since the period of Erasmus and Martin Luther.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
But Mr. Mill's feeling never altered towards him, nor did he ever fail, publicly or privately, in giving due honor to Bentham's name and acknowledgment of the intellectual debt he owed to him.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
Those extracts are made not only in justice to the memory of James Mill, but as a help towards understanding the influences by which his son was surrounded from his earliest years.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
James Mill was living in a house at Pentonville when this son was born, and partly because of the peculiar abilities that the boy displayed from the first, partly because he could not afford to procure for him elsewhere such teaching as he was able himself to give him, he took his education entirely into his own hands with what interest even jealous interest it would seem bentham watched that education appears from a present little letter addressed to him by the elder mill in eighteen twelve i am not going to die he wrote notwithstanding your zeal to come in for a legacy however if i were to die any time before this poor boy is a man one of the things that would pinch me most sorely would be the being obliged to leave his mind unmade to the degree of excellence of which i hope to make it but another thing is that the only prospect which would lessen that pain would be the leaving him in your hands i therefore take your offer quite seriously and stipulate merely that it shall be made as soon as possible and then we may perhaps leave him a successor worthy of both of us it was a bold hope but one destined to be fully realized at the time of its utterance the poor boy was barely more than six years old the intellectual powers of which he gave such early proof were carefully but apparently not excessively cultivated mrs grote in her lately published personal life of george grote has described him as he appeared in eighteen seventeen the year in which her husband made the acquaintance of his father john stuart mill then a boy of about twelve years old he was really only eleven was studying with his father as sole preceptor under the paternal roof unquestionably forward for his years and already possessed of a competent knowledge of greek and latin as well as of some subordinate though solid attainments john was as a boy somewhat repressed by the elder mill and seldom took any share in the conversation carried on by the society frequenting the house it is perhaps not strange that a boy of eleven at any rate a boy who was to become so modest a man should not take much part in general conversation and Mr.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
Mill himself never, in referring to his father, led his hearers to suppose that he had, as a child, been in any way unduly repressed by him.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
Those extracts are made not only in justice to the memory of James Mill, but as a help towards understanding the influences by which his son was surrounded from his earliest years.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
James Mill was living in a house at Pentonville when this son was born, and partly because of the peculiar abilities that the boy displayed from the first, partly because he could not afford to procure for him elsewhere such teaching as he was able himself to give him, he took his education entirely into his own hands with what interest even jealous interest it would seem bentham watched that education appears from a present little letter addressed to him by the elder mill in eighteen twelve i am not going to die he wrote notwithstanding your zeal to come in for a legacy however if i were to die any time before this poor boy is a man one of the things that would pinch me most sorely would be the being obliged to leave his mind unmade to the degree of excellence of which i hope to make it but another thing is that the only prospect which would lessen that pain would be the leaving him in your hands i therefore take your offer quite seriously and stipulate merely that it shall be made as soon as possible and then we may perhaps leave him a successor worthy of both of us it was a bold hope but one destined to be fully realized at the time of its utterance the poor boy was barely more than six years old the intellectual powers of which he gave such early proof were carefully but apparently not excessively cultivated mrs grote in her lately published personal life of george grote has described him as he appeared in eighteen seventeen the year in which her husband made the acquaintance of his father john stuart mill then a boy of about twelve years old he was really only eleven was studying with his father as sole preceptor under the paternal roof unquestionably forward for his years and already possessed of a competent knowledge of greek and latin as well as of some subordinate though solid attainments john was as a boy somewhat repressed by the elder mill and seldom took any share in the conversation carried on by the society frequenting the house it is perhaps not strange that a boy of eleven at any rate a boy who was to become so modest a man should not take much part in general conversation and Mr.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
Mill himself never, in referring to his father, led his hearers to suppose that he had, as a child, been in any way unduly repressed by him.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
The tender affection with which he always cherished his father's memory in no way sanctions the belief that he was at any time subjected to unreasonable discipline.
David WalesNARRATOR
Those extracts are made not only in justice to the memory of James Mill, but as a help towards understanding the influences by which his son was surrounded from his earliest years.
David WalesNARRATOR
James Mill was living in a house at Pentonville when this son was born, and partly because of the peculiar abilities that the boy displayed from the first, partly because he could not afford to procure for him elsewhere such teaching as he was able himself to give him, he took his education entirely into his own hands with what interest even jealous interest it would seem bentham watched that education appears from a present little letter addressed to him by the elder mill in eighteen twelve i am not going to die he wrote notwithstanding your zeal to come in for a legacy however if i were to die any time before this poor boy is a man one of the things that would pinch me most sorely would be the being obliged to leave his mind unmade to the degree of excellence of which i hope to make it but another thing is that the only prospect which would lessen that pain would be the leaving him in your hands i therefore take your offer quite seriously and stipulate merely that it shall be made as soon as possible and then we may perhaps leave him a successor worthy of both of us it was a bold hope but one destined to be fully realized at the time of its utterance the poor boy was barely more than six years old the intellectual powers of which he gave such early proof were carefully but apparently not excessively cultivated mrs grote in her lately published personal life of george grote has described him as he appeared in eighteen seventeen the year in which her husband made the acquaintance of his father john stuart mill then a boy of about twelve years old he was really only eleven was studying with his father as sole preceptor under the paternal roof unquestionably forward for his years and already possessed of a competent knowledge of greek and latin as well as of some subordinate though solid attainments john was as a boy somewhat repressed by the elder mill and seldom took any share in the conversation carried on by the society frequenting the house it is perhaps not strange that a boy of eleven at any rate a boy who was to become so modest a man should not take much part in general conversation and mr mill himself never in referring to his father led his hearers to suppose that he had as a child been in any way unduly repressed by him the tender affection with which he always cherished his father's memory in no way sanctions the belief that he was at any time subjected to unreasonable discipline by him his father was only revered as the best and kindest of teachers there was a break in the home teaching in eighteen twenty james mill after bearing bravely with his early difficulties had acquired so much renown by his famous history of india that in spite of its adverse criticisms of the east india company the directors of the company in eighteen seventeen honorably bestowed upon him a post in the india house where he steadily and rapidly rose to a position which enabled him to pass the later years of his life in more comfort than had hitherto been within his reach the new employment however interfered with his other occupation as instructor to his boy and for this reason as well as probably for others tending to his advancement the lad was in the summer of eighteen twenty sent to france for a year and a half for several months he lived in paris in the house of jean baptiste say the political economist the rest of his time was passed in the company of sir samuel bentham jeremy bentham's brother early in eighteen twenty two before he was eighteen he returned to london soon to enter the india office as a clerk in the department of which his father was chief in that office he remained for five and thirty years acquitting himself with great ability and gradually rising to the most responsible position that could be there held by a subordinate but though he was thus early started in life as a city clerk his self-training and his education by his father were by no means abandoned
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Bill BorstNARRATOR
Those extracts are made not only in justice to the memory of James Mill, but as a help towards understanding the influences by which his son was surrounded from his earliest years.
Bill BorstNARRATOR
James Mill was living in a house at Pentonville when this son was born, and partly because of the peculiar abilities that the boy displayed from the first, partly because he could not afford to procure for him elsewhere such teaching as he was able himself to give him, he took his education entirely into his own hands with what interest even jealous interest it would seem bentham watched that education appears from a present little letter addressed to him by the elder mill in eighteen twelve i am not going to die he wrote notwithstanding your zeal to come in for a legacy however if i were to die any time before this poor boy is a man one of the things that would pinch me most sorely would be the being obliged to leave his mind unmade to the degree of excellence of which i hope to make it but another thing is that the only prospect which would lessen that pain would be the leaving him in your hands i therefore take your offer quite seriously and stipulate merely that it shall be made as soon as possible and then we may perhaps leave him a successor worthy of both of us it was a bold hope but one destined to be fully realized at the time of its utterance the poor boy was barely more than six years old the intellectual powers of which he gave such early proof were carefully but apparently not excessively cultivated mrs grote in her lately published personal life of george grote has described him as he appeared in eighteen seventeen the year in which her husband made the acquaintance of his father john stuart mill then a boy of about twelve years old he was really only eleven was studying with his father as sole preceptor under the paternal roof unquestionably forward for his years and already possessed of a competent knowledge of greek and latin as well as of some subordinate though solid attainments john was as a boy somewhat repressed by the elder mill and seldom took any share in the conversation carried on by the society frequenting the house it is perhaps not strange that a boy of eleven at any rate a boy who was to become so modest a man should not take much part in general conversation and mr mill himself never in referring to his father led his hearers to suppose that he had as a child been in any way unduly repressed by him the tender affection with which he always cherished his father's memory in no way sanctions the belief that he was at any time subjected to unreasonable discipline by him his father was only revered as the best and kindest of teachers there was a break in the home teaching in eighteen twenty james mill after bearing bravely with his early difficulties had acquired so much renown by his famous history of india that in spite of its adverse criticisms of the east india company the directors of the company in eighteen seventeen honorably bestowed upon him a post in the india house where he steadily and rapidly rose to a position which enabled him to pass the later years of his life in more comfort than had hitherto been within his reach the new employment however interfered with his other occupation as instructor to his boy and for this reason as well as probably for others tending to his advancement the lad was in the summer of eighteen twenty sent to france for a year and a half for several months he lived in paris in the house of jean baptiste say the political economist the rest of his time was passed in the company of sir samuel bentham jeremy bentham's brother early in eighteen twenty two before he was eighteen he returned to london soon to enter the india office as a clerk in the department of which his father was chief in that office he remained for five and thirty years acquitting himself with great ability and gradually rising to the most responsible position that could be there held by a subordinate
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but though
Bill BorstNARRATOR
he was thus early started in life as a city clerk his self-training and his education by his father were by no means abandoned