George Greenough

But what does somebody who doesn't surf and has just a general interest in music...

What do they need to know about George Greenough? And it's like, you know, innermost limits of pure fun, you know, like, yes, he was like a eclectic and idiosyncratic guy and an inventor and all this other stuff.

So you have to like decide like what you're going to gloss over and what you're going to like really dive deep into.

But there's a lot, I mean, Greenough's like just one of the examples, but I'm sure you can imagine there's like just a ton of people like that in surfing, you know?