Geoff Dixon

Yeah

... can I come in there? Because I can remember years ago, Jeremy, Geoff Dixon, who was the legendary head of Qantas, basically saying, "Look, we cannot compete against state-subsidized, uh, airlines.

We just can't, unless you want us to." And certainly, no Australian government was offering.

I mean, they were just sort of massively bailing them out at one point.

And so when I left politics forcibly because we lost the election, I got a job at Qantas and I worked in the PR department at Qantas from 2007 to like 2009, 10.

And I was lucky enough to get at my desk right next to Lucinda Holdforth, who was Jeff Dixon's and Margaret Jackson's speechwriter.

And then she became Alan Joyce's and Lee Clifford's speechwriter, the CEO and chairman of Qantas.

And she's a published author and she's been a speechwriter.