Gary Wang

Nishad Singh was a collaborator.

Gary Wang was a collaborator.

They all admitted to this.

But this was all Sam Bankman-Fried's idea, and ultimately, he was both the owner of both-- He was not just the CEO of FTX, he was the owner of both FTX and Alameda Research.

It becomes extremely dangerous.

And that's Caroline Elson and Nishad Singh and Gary Wang and all the people who've been on witness stands testifying against him.

The important ones, they were all part of the group that stuck with him 'cause they basically decided they trusted him, that he just needed to be a little more careful, and that, but that there was nothing basically rotten there.

They didn't need to check him in the ways that the people who quit felt they needed to check him.

For example, they had a chief te- the chief technology officer-

Yeah

... and now star witness, one of the star witnesses in the Sam Bankman-Fried trials, a guy named Gary Wang.

Now, Gary was curious because Sam was the only one who seemed to be able to talk to him.