Gary Stevenson

But we would listen to useful idiots, Katie Halper, Haran Mate, people like that, with Maxim Blumenthal from the States, when we want to get stuff.

But we'd have friends, I suppose, or people we know in Iran and West Asia as well where we get information but I really would follow stuff that's been done by Gabriel Zuckman and people like Gary Stevenson around the whole global inequality which we didn't really get into but how the world has been dominated they've done some brilliant stuff in terms of the economy but there are a lot of good academic writers I can't think of them now as you said this earlier I kind of said Jesus I'll keep waffling now I can't think of them but they're out there There's great stuff being written.

But the printed media, the mainstream media, I do not listen to at all.

I do listen to them just to find out what they're saying.

So the element 115 thing though, could be there's the other plausible alternative.

I don't give this a high likelihood is that what if it's just some kind of super advanced microchip? What if it's some kind of a super advanced metamaterial that is just like resonating or potentially tapping in to quantum energy, just like the microchips that Sonny White is making the free energy microchip or the one that Gary Stevenson's been talking about on Tim Ventura, or Garrett Medell's microchip, or even Paul Thibodeau's thermal microchip.

Maybe what that really was was just some kind of super machined microchip.

And back at that time, Bob Lazar, nobody would have even understood lithography to that level, to realize that if you were really to zoom in on that, that you would have seen all these structures at these super tiny scales.

And of course, what characterizes the post-war economies is they have huge middle classes.

You know, they have people that this is when you get this phenomenon of the guy that goes and works in a factory and, you know, raises a family of five and, you know, gets a house for a very low cost relatively and gets a big pension plan.

And there's a large state welfare support if he runs into any trouble.

um so you know the the Keynesian approach to economics that states began to take the more interventionist approach and how adaptable capitalism proved to be whether it's things like the the new deal or some of what I mentioned after the second world war an embrace of a certain kind of corporatist economics and collectivist bargaining um and you know the state taking this collaborative role with industry to develop national industries were important.

But how did those Chicago school neoliberals, the likes of Friedman, Hayek, how did they kind of replace Keynes?

Well, I mean, again, you know, one is that they were usually influential intellectually.

I mean, Hayek was very influential before these guys got a lot of economic influence.

Just capturing that moment that we talked about before with Popper, just that moment of post-war anti-statism, the open society, a return to a more modest liberalism away from this kind of grand utopian thinking.