Gary Stead

I feel like I've got the whole gist of it.

No, there is some controversy with him and Gary Stead, an Australian tour.

You know, normally when a book comes out, there's some controversy that makes the headlines.

Nothing.

So it's picking the things that resonate with me and help me sort of grow as a coach as well.

You formed, you know, quite the partnership with Gary Stead, a very, you know, successful period for New Zealand over that time.

I mean, I've met you both.

I would say you're quite different characters.

Huge engine on him, but alas, the bots of, big bots of Lion Red got the better of him," Mark in the far, far north.

Uh, "Shirley Boys had Craig McMillan, Nathan Astle, and Gary Stead all in the same first 11, and a lot of players that didn't make it.

Very strong back in the day." Just having those three is a bloody strong rugby s- uh, cricket side.

"Tumbay Matson was a machine at first 15.

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And I remember Peter Fulton, who was their batting coach at that point, one day pulled me aside and said, "Can you and Kane, Kane not have these conversations when Gary Stead, the head coach-

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... is watching? I'm gonna lose my job at this rate."

Mm.

And I thought he got given way too much rope by Gary Stead.

You know, he would, it seemed to me that he would put in a lot of poor runs of scores-

Mm