Gary McGann

But probably, you know, I see Morris Pratt here.

As I moved into IBEC, Morris, very instrumental, Gary McGann.

And then there was a colleague of mine in IBEC, which people may or may not remember because he's gone about 10 or years, Pat Delaney.

He used to run the Small Firm Association.

But now, finally, we have a dedicated biography of Brian Cowen.

It's been written by Professor Gary Murphy from DCU.

Gary is a regular contributor to The Last Word, and we're delighted to have him back.

Gary, thank you-

Thank you, Matt

... for being with us.

Gary, there's no official rankings as such, but I think by popular perception, Brian Cowen would be regarded as Ireland's worst ever Taoiseach.

Would you have gone into writing the book with that perception?