Gary Hamel

Reinventing Organizations, Frédéric Laloux, definitely a good one.

Gary Hamel, Humanocracy is a, is a great one as well.

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Fantastic

What would you tell people out there today that are listening saying, "Hey, [laughs] I'm afraid I'm gonna lose my job" kind of thing?

Um, I also think, uh, and I, I was just, uh, talking with, uh, uh, Michele Zanini who wrote this book, uh, Humanocracy with Garry Hamel yesterday.

And, uh, and, uh, they have now looked into some of these claims.

You know, AGI is coming tomorrow, efficiency will be amazing, and people will be ke- laid off, and there's really no evidence for it, as you say, Greg.

I got on it early.

I met Gary Hamel at some event in 1999, the strategy guru, and I went, I was the...

He was...

I was his warm-up act for some big London Business School thing, and at the end, I just noticed how nobody gave a shit about me, and everyone was in awe of Gary Hamel.

And I remember sort of literally I stood by the door, and nobody even remembered who I was after I'd given my talk, and they were just like, "Oh my God, Gary Hamel, Gary Hamel." And, and going and having a beer and going, "I gotta do something about this 'cause this, this is not gonna be good." Do you know what I mean? And it really was.

That was a moment in my career where I was like, "Right, I have to do something here," you know?

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