Gary Gensler
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Sep 21, 2026
Simon JohnsonHOST
My name is Simon Johnson.
Simon JohnsonHOST
And I'm Gary Gensler.
Simon JohnsonHOST
Good to be with you.
Simon JohnsonHOST
And today we're talking about everybody's favorite topic right now, data centers.
Simon JohnsonHOST
And specifically the question we have, Gary, is are we building too many data centers?
Gary GenslerHOST
On top of that, there's another topic about artificial intelligence that everybody's thinking about, and we've decided to do a two-part little mini-series, starting with the data center question, and then moving to a broader, some might say existential question, about can we or should we slow down the development of AI?
Simon JohnsonHOST
Great question.
Gary GenslerHOST
That's about 2.5% of our economy on building data centers.
Matthew HouganGUEST
So the reason we wanted Clarity is because legislation is hard to change.
Matthew HouganGUEST
So if you think about the history of crypto over the last like seven or eight years, we had a very anti-crypto SEC led by Gary Gensler.
Matthew HouganGUEST
And then we have today a very pro-crypto SEC led by Paul Atkins.
Matthew HouganGUEST
And in the anti-crypto SEC, it was hard to get things done.
VPHOST
They have wanted in for the longest time, but many of them are also correct to take a sit back and wait approach until you have some type of real clarity from the United States government as far as what these companies can and cannot do.
VPHOST
For the longest time during the Gary Gensler era, we had nothing, which meant that the Gensler-led SEC at any point in time could just make something up and say, no, you're not compliant.
VPHOST
You violated this rule that I literally just made up and now we are suing you.
VPHOST
That's a bit of an oversimplification, but that's not incorrect in any way either.
Will HarborneGUEST
And there probably was a time, I mean, yeah, you have to kind of look at what's happened in the US on regulation, because that seems to be also when things really switched.
Will HarborneGUEST
Maybe, you know, some people joke, but maybe it's true that the worst thing that ever happened to DeFi was Gary Gensler getting fired, essentially.
Will HarborneGUEST
Because, you know, while he was pushing back, it kind of left this space for like true decentralized DeFi to kind of have an advantage.
Will HarborneGUEST
Whereas once things got relaxed and fintech could kind of start to play in the crypto stablecoin world, there seemed to be basically anyone who kind of gave up some of the elements of decentralization was able to kind of grow much faster and adapt to this new world.
Sean HaganHOST
So how much regulatory clarity can these agencies actually deliver without Congress, and where do you still need legislation?
Faryar ShirzadGUEST
I think Gary Gensler was able to sow chaos because there were no rules in place, and so if he sort of, um, clamped down and started bringing enforcement cases, he had the advantage of ambiguity, uh, to-- in or- in order to defend the, the war-- lawfare that he was engaged in.
Faryar ShirzadGUEST
Uh, what Atkins, CF, and the other Trump regulators are doing is are providing rules.
Faryar ShirzadGUEST
Now, in principle, a future administration could change those, but as market practice adapts to those rules, expectations s- are set based on what the agencies have said.
Ryan Sean AdamsHOST
The innovation exemption.
Ryan Sean AdamsHOST
So I'm wondering, does Paul Atkins love crypto more than Gary Gensler hated it? What's he going to give us? What are the goodies? We'll talk about all that and more.
Ryan Sean AdamsHOST
But before we do, we want to thank the sponsors that made this episode possible.
David HoffmanHOST
I've been trading crypto for almost a decade
Paul SztorcGUEST
Then Trump was elected again.
Paul SztorcGUEST
Trump was like, I'm going to fire Gary Gensler.
Paul SztorcGUEST
So you can see when the price goes up, I don't think it is... you have kind of a good narrative that's solid and you also have some fundamentals.
Paul SztorcGUEST
And that's what you really need.
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AmberCORRESPONDENT
Para el lado financiero de todo esto, volvemos con Edo.
Edo SegalHOST
En Wall Street, este jueves por la mañana, el expresidente de la SEC, Gary Gensler, declaró en el programa Squawk Box de CNBC que no quiere que el gobierno incline la balanza desde una perspectiva de mercados de capitales en lo que respecta a la seguridad de la IA.
Edo SegalHOST
Un rechazo notable en momentos en que Washington debate con qué fuerza apoyarse en incentivos financieros para orientar al sector.
Edo SegalHOST
Y en esa misma hora, el inversor del Big Short, Steve Eisman, afirmó sin rodeos que las empresas de IA están tratando de fabricar una crisis, enmarcando las advertencias de seguridad de la industria como estratégicas en lugar de genuinas.
Kain WarwickHOST
But they gotta find their, like, smart lawyer guy that's gonna actually, like, go and-
Tommy ShaughnessyGUEST
Gary Gensler.
Kain WarwickHOST
Yeah.
Taylor MonahanHOST
I don't know.
Faryar ShirzadGUEST
So part of our bet is we'll get the regulatory clarity we need through regulation and the markets will adapt to and adopt the tech.
Faryar ShirzadGUEST
And it'll be harder to run into another Gary Gensler, for example, in two years that may try to politicize the issue.
Faryar ShirzadGUEST
Right.
Mark HalperinHOST
I'm going to turn you over to Al and Kevin for questions from each of them, but let me ask you one more.
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