You don't know, like, if, if, if any-- [clears throat] even after you had faith where, where you had just moments of way more understanding of the gospel or Christ or the resurrection being true or, you know, things like that that made it sink in more? Or like-

Um, yeah.

We were- I remember being in the ICU at Children's, BC Children's there, and, uh-[lip smack] Benjamin was quite sick.

Like, it wasn't- we weren't worried if he was gonna die or not, but he was...

That was still an option.

Like, he was still quite sick so- 'cause he was in the ICU.

And, uh, this nurse came up to me and she goes like, "I don't understand why you guys are so calm." And then that one really hit me.

Yeah.