So what made you decide to focus your energies on the topic of death?

I think this is what I was meant to do.

My early career, I was a television producer with C-SPAN right out of college, and I majored in television and film.

And while I was in college, one of the production classes required us to make a three minute black and white Super 8, so you know how long ago this was, movie and call it the bubblegum film.

And I didn't know it at the time, but this was a predictor of my future career.

which is my bubblegum film was a satire of Ingmar Bergman's classic 1958 movie, The Seventh Seal.

The opening scene where a medieval knight wakes up on a beach at dawn and death has come for the knight.

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And, um, so I've always loved films, and once I got into this death education, I recognized that movies and film clips can really memorably teach so much better than just anything I would tell somebody.

And, uh, so I did get a license to use film clips in my talks, and as time went on, um, I, I was one of the first people to hold a death cafe in the United States.

That's, uh, an opportunity for people to come together and talk about what's on their minds about mortality issues.

Well, that was mostly women who would come to those events, and I thought, "What if I showed movies in my house and, and then people would come and watch the movie that would be related to mortality in some way, and then we'd talk about it?" And a lot more men would come to the movie nights and stick around and have conversation about mortality issues.

And after about three of these movies, it got too crowded in my living room and I asked my funeral director friends with French Funerals and Cremations here in Albuquerque, New Mexico, if we could go watch movies in one of their chapels and they said yes.

Who starred in that one?