Gabriel Rossman

[laughs] Um, but you, you know, you wrote one of the best things I've read about Jason Arday.

Uh, Jason Arday, we did a, we did a, an episode, uh, w- on this with a sociologist, Gabriel Rossman, uh, for listeners who are, uh, trying to remember who that is, but this was the Cambridge professor.

Uh, he was the youngest Black Cambridge professor in the history of the university, who turned out to have been, uh, s- substantially plagiarizing some of his work and to have been a serial pl- fabulist about various stories about his personal life, um, and who ultimately after Cambridge, um, he died shortly after Cambridge launched an investigation, presumably by suicide.

You argued that the making of you was both people who kind of took your hand and said like, "Okay, you can do this.

Now, that's not the aspect of the system that she likes, but it is a system that she's so wedded to that she sees choice as the problem for the school system, when choice is a way that many poor students have of escaping that crushing problem.

A couple of episodes ago, we had on Gabriel Rossman to discuss school reform in California.

Yeah, we had Gabriel Rossman as a professor of sociology at UCLA to talk about how the UC system went test blind and how that led.

I mean, I think you're going to go here, Ben.

One of the problems at the UC is they're getting a lot of kids who don't know algebra, who have theoretically passed algebra in their schools.

And this is in particular things that take away tools to discipline students, to remove problematic students from classrooms.

That seems like something that undermines the learning experience, but also seems like something that must make teaching a less pleasant job.

And it was interesting to me when we talked with Gabriel Rossman about UCLA.