Future Earth

He is a professor of management at Penn State University, and really one of the pioneers of sustainability in management scholarship and practice.

Paul has spent decades challenging conventional assumptions about business and economic growth, and as former executive director of Future Earth, founder-- one of the founders of the Academy of Management's O&E Division, and author of m- many numerous books, influential books and articles.

He has helped shape a global conversation around what's possible if sustainability and responsible management were core of our approaches to organizing.

And so thank you, Paul, for being here.

And, and part of it, I think, the vocation of a teacher, a professor, is to make that available.

And I think you're taking on that role of a teacher in a broader context, right? You're, you're an institution builder.

You're educating a system of universities [chuckles] and university leaders, but you're also doing that in the context of the Club of Rome and Future Earth at scale.

And so maybe can you walk us through a little bit, what are some of the key things that you have seen, done, learned that you can share with us here for, for everybody that basically wants to-