Fugro NV

And what I mean by that is you've got to sit out clearly and spend the time thinking really clearly what are the key elements that need to happen or need to be delivered within this project? How do you create a business friendly document and approach that can help you manage through that? So what's the article? What does this mean for the business? What are the key issues here? What are the challenges? Who needs to be involved? Who needs to drive this thing? Where does it need to be done by? That becomes like your text or Bible starting point for how do we actually deliver against this

so that's progress over perfection so it works at every single level so not just not just at the execco so whatever you've been working on um or that you've been putting off doing and you've been sitting on because it isn't quite ready isn't quite perfect um get to 80 percent get to that version this this week and get get it out All right, so the last clip is from Katja Fenton, who is the general counsel at Fugro in the Netherlands.

And she had recently stepped into this position when she was a guest on the podcast.

And she talks about like what feeling you get when you're stepping up into something new.