Frogs into Princes

And I was just, you know, I mean, I was just this kid essentially.

And I was actually using the manuscript for the book Frogs into Princes that they later published.

I was using that to get the steps, you know, to guide her through it.

And so, yeah.

Well, the story is 1987, I was going through, I had gone through all sorts of psychology books trying to help me with my problems with women.

And the first book I read was Frogs and the Princes, which I'm sure you read by Boundary Grinder.

And then Transformations, which was the first publicly available, I think, layman's book that explored Milton Erickson's...

And with...