Fritz Kramer

We're talking about this concept of hybridism.

And Fritz Kramer was one of the very, I guess not the very first, one of the most profound anthropologists to discuss this concept of possession.

And in his book, The Red Fez, he's in Africa and he is being guided through different villages and he goes into this clearing and there's a group of people in a circle and he finds this individual in the middle of a circle near the fire and he's dancing.

He's almost in a trance.