Fritjof Capra

It can never be 100%.

What's gonna make it more sustainable? What's gonna give us options? Fritjof Capra as a writer is a great one for building in optionality in the future.

Just, just, you know, allow people some room for creativity.

Okay? So we want it to be built on, uh, circular economy principles.

So we've got to understand that this is a disease of things that we do.

Now, some of you may remember, uh, the book The Tao of Physics, written by the great systems thinker, uh, physicist, uh, Fritjof Capra, who I happened to be playing tennis with when I was 15.

And he said to me, "Patrick, what is the difference between an animate object, uh, and an inanimate object? Between you and a bicycle?" And he said both have parts.

Um, those parts relate.