Freeman on the land movement

So there's that on the one hand, but then some of these ideas have sort of trickled down into the consciousness of the public at another level.

So we see also within the context of movements like, to some extent within the Freedom Convoy, Freeman on the Land, the Queen of Canada.

There's sort of protest movements at the grassroots level that have sort of picked up this idea of sovereign citizenship, which means they don't believe that they have to follow the rules of the nation state.

And they want, again, they're searching for for a kind of citizenship which involves exiting from existing arrangements.