Fred Swaniker

But- In the short version, from your own experience, anything to add beyond what you already have talked about, or maybe share any more of...

People don't know Fred Swaniker's story of like the origin of ALA, but give us a little snapshot before we move on.

Of course.

So for every- for anyone who doesn't know ALA, especially if you're an African international student or work with African students, you should definitely get to know ALA 'cause it really is a great resource.

But essentially, the African Leadership Academy is a two-year diploma program that was started by a visionary, a group of visionaries, um, Fred Swaniker, Acha Leke, and two other co-founders, that they built this kind of like empire, I would like to say, of like African education or African-centered education.

And Fred's like guiding ethos, and also Fred went to Macalester, so we, we went to the same school.

We're close.