Frank White

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Frank, Frank White.

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Did that view, do you think that it changed you in any kind of in, in lasting way? Uh, just, just talk about the experience.

You know, I mean, gosh, I just learned to let all that go 'cause it's not important.

You know, what's important is what's going on on the Earth, the bigger picture, and so I definitely felt that, uh, what's now called the overview effect, for sure.

Frank White would be not surprised but happy to hear your, uh, your, your testimony regarding that.

Couple of things from the chat.

I'm your host, Beth Mund, and I'm here with some really exciting news and a great guest.

We're welcoming back to the show our friend and colleague and someone I think you're quite familiar with, Frank White.

And we've had Frank on the show before, but this time we're talking to Frank because Frank is a major goal that you can help make happen.

We gotta get Frank to space, right? If anyone deserves to go, it's Frank White, the author who has coined the term the overview effect.

Yeah.

And there's a way that you can do it because there's a organization that is this global community who's helping to work and accelerate the space economy and help open access to space.

Anyone who's worked with you, we're like, "If there's someone who's got to go-"

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Many of them describe the same thing.

In 1987, a writer named Frank White gave it a name.

He called it the overview effect.

After interviewing many people who had flown in space, he found that a surprising number had come home changed, not by the danger or the speed or the strangeness of floating, but by the view.

But yeah, the view of the earth is absolutely stunning.

there's a term coined by Frank White called the overview effect.

And in fact, he and I just chatted, uh, a couple of days ago, we chat roughly every month to say hello.

Um, but yeah, the overview effect is, is, is kind of like a common term that people use to describe the effect that you see when you see the planet.

and partly something astronauts have learned to describe in a particular register.

Because Frank White named it in 87, and suddenly there's a word for it.

And once there's a word, and once there's an expected response, the response becomes culturally available.

BIM also warns about an overlord effect, which is hubris.

It's really a cool place, and it's easy to get to.

Mate that with bringing astronauts and the remaining Apollo veterans and, you know, people that have written about this for years, folks like Jeffrey Kluger, and, you know, Glen Swanson, and, um, Frank White who, who coined the term the overview effect, you know, really the inspirational moment that happens when you are in space and see the world by itself, magnified by the farther away you go.

So these Apollo astronauts, and now the new Artemis astronauts, have experienced the world hanging there by itself, surrounded by darkness, uh, from the moon.

That, uh, put them all together in this amazing place, invite everybody, um, you know, have a, have a relatively low ticket price to get in, and see what happens.