Frank Scully

And I think the case has been so incredibly washed as a hoax by the military and the media, the mainstream media, that I don't think it appears to be a threat.

Okay, the Frank Scully connection, because a lot of people are hearing this for the first time.

What's this about?

Frank Scully actually broke the story in his book that came out September 17, 1950.

And he broke the story after interviewing the scientists that worked on the crash and the craft itself.

And it was a best-selling book.

And then the military went about their way of debunking it and discrediting it, and by 1953, it was a non-event.

And that's just brutal when you're the author of something that you've had as a best-seller, you know you've done your homework, and all of a sudden, it just tanks.

He started his own vigilante research efforts.

Suzanne was born in South Dakota to a mother who was obsessed with UFOs, an obsession sparked by the first book on Aztec, Behind the Flying Saucers, by Variety columnist Frank Scully.

Suzanne's mother was so inspired by Scully that she moved the entire family to Flora Vista, a suburb of Aztec.

She went to work for a local radio station where, in 1999, she ran into Scott, who was quickly becoming one of the deepest researchers on the UFO incident.

When they tried to put the arms down, it just kept going into the silt.

Put something heavy under it, something solid.

How do you take a craft that big, move it down a steep terrain, and then get it out of there? Frank Scully, who wrote Behind the Flying Saucers, talked about the craft came apart in sections.

So if we can take the craft and take it in reasonable pieces, getting it out of there would require one thing, and that was something Suzanne didn't wanna hear, [laughs] but reenacting it.

And unlike Roswell, where everybody knows something about it, you know, you say hundreds of possible witnesses, nobody ever heard of it.

It's something that was rumored... by two con men and referred to in the book from Frank Scully, a gossip columnist.

And I just, going through years and years of Aztec, failed to see any real connection.

Now, you know, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The presentation was in March of 1950.

And so there is this trail that point to the fact that silas newton did give that presentation at the university of denver and the people who put that presentation together were in hot water with the university for even putting together a presentation with that topic associated to it and um as was mentioned uh silas newton and leo gebauer the main sources were um, convicted of, uh, fraud for some oil speculation, um, ideas that they had that they, uh, I guess stole money from people.

And that whole part was, um, not correct, but Frank Scully insisted to, uh, until he passed away that, um, even though those guys were guilty of fraud, that doesn't change anything in his story.

And in Frank Scully's story in the book Behind the Flying Saucers, Leonard Stringfield ultimately wrote in one of his crash retrieval status reports, and he even mentioned in his 1978 symposium presentation that Robert Spencer Carr did a lot of research into this and came up with more information that kind of legitimized the Aztec crash as maybe something that wasn't as discredited as was originally thought.

Anyway, so that's what got us started.

But Steinman has always been sort of a hero because he read Frank Scully's 1950 book, Behind the Flying Saucers, which was written in a breezy journalistic style.

But we later found that everything in Scully's book was 100% right.

And Steinman took that book and he took a plane to Durango, Colorado, rented a car, and drove down into Aztec.

The next case I'd like to cover comes from researcher Leonard Stringfield, who is very well known for studying UFO crash retrievals.

In fact, he's really the first major researcher, other than perhaps Frank Scully, who took UFO crash retrievals seriously and focused on them almost exclusively.

And this crash occurred in an undisclosed location in New Mexico.

And how it came to light was a witness contacted Leonard Stringfield and said that he was a radar specialist who had actually viewed a film of this UFO crash.

This goes back to the original tale of the UFO crash near Aztec, New Mexico, which was debunked almost as soon as the story appeared.

The Aztec case appeared in Frank Scully's 1950 book, Behind the Flying Saucers.

The story was that the object had crashed near the tiny New Mexico town of Aztec in March 1948.

The craft and the bodies of the flight crew were recovered by the military.