Frank Mckenna

Northern Spin is a political podcast that gives a voice to the North.

My name, as always, is Chris McGuire, Executive Editor of Business Cloud, and I'm joined by my co-host, Frank McKenna, Chief Executive and Group Chairman of Downtown in Business.

Good to see you, Chris.

Good to see you.

And the final thing, as far as business is concerned, is how much red tape and bureaucracy are you going to throw at us? The employment law changes might look OK on paper, but in a practical sense, they're absolute bloody farce, Chris.

I always have a sweepstake.

How long will it be before Frank McKenna swears? And I went for about eight

minutes.

And I am a strategy consultant there.

So I guess it was maybe, uh, just predestined that I would go work for Frank McKenna because-

Of course

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Welcome back to the Fraudology podcast.

I'm Carice Hendrick and I am joined by the Frank McKenna of Frank on Fraud blog and also he's a co-founder of Point Predictive.

I always enjoy talking about fraud with Frank and I know you guys enjoy listening to us and it's It's been a little while and we have some pretty big topics to talk about today.

One is a new, well, I guess they're both kind of in the news.