Frank Chapman

And it was conservationists who pushed back on the killing of the birds, and it was mainly because of the fashion trade of having those lovely plumes in our hats.

And then in 1900, ornithologist Frank Chapman proposed the first Christmas bird census as an alternative to hunting.

And so citizens would go out and they would count birds on Christmas or over the holidays instead of hunting them.

I know a lot of states, I don't know if Maryland does it, but a lot of states actually have that as part of their first day hike program, which do you all do it? I see some thumbs up.