François Jacob

So the framework that I really like to think about this is this, uh, framework of day and night science.

Uh, I think it was first expressed by, uh, François Jacob.

He's a Nobel laureate.

Uh, I think later in the book he sort of explained the distinction between these sort of two phases or two parts of the work of, uh, of a scientist, of day n- science and night science.

He was really urging us to take this seriously and to start this research, and he had the early intuition, given that science was an important currency in the West, that if we began to study this scientifically and if we found that it was beneficial from the scientific findings, that would actually help people to take this kind of practice more seriously.

And at that meeting was a French Buddhist monk by the name of Matthieu Ricard, but Matthieu also has a PhD in molecular biology from the Pasteur Institute, where he worked with François Jacob, the Nobel laureate.

And Matthieu raised his hand and said, "I'll be the first guinea pig." He had been meditating for years in the Himalayan regions.

He was our first long-term practitioner.