Francesca Happé

And I got really interested in that and started talking to OCD experts, actually, at the Institute of Psychiatry and Psychology and Neuroscience.

And ended up doing a PhD with David and Natasha Coles as my main supervisor and Francesca Happe.

and Dave Hemsley really trying to understand obsessive compulsive disorder in this group because very little was known.

And I thought, can I do use CBT? I know we can use it for OCD, but is it going to be right for this group? Yeah, so that is the long answer to how I got engaged.