Frances FitzGerald

They were prohibited from going into areas that had been communist-controlled areas.

So many journalists were eager to look at the, that side of the war, and two journalists came to Quang Ngai, Frances FitzGerald, who won a Pulitzer Prize for her book, and they asked if we could find a way for them, a path or a guide, a way for them to get into territories that belonged to the National Liberation Front around Quang Ngai.

And since the whole city belonged to the Front, except for the very center of the city, it wasn't hard to get them access, but it, we wanted to get them safe access.

Mm.

So when I talked to Mai about helping me figure out how to, where they should enter the liberated territories, I mentioned that the w- journalist was Frances FitzGerald, and I th- I don't think even people on our team necessarily knew what a Pulitzer Prize winner was.

And for her, with an eighth-grade education and living in Vietnam, to say to me, "Oh, Frances FitzGerald, she won a Pulitzer Prize," I was like, "Oh." I was blown away.

So she was so excited that this would be a good person who would...

And indeed, she wrote five fe- I think five stories that came out in The New Yorker

I'd love to see, like timeline-wise, where it fits with Bebs.

But he says, and this is quoted in, I'll show it to the, show it to the video watchers, The Evangelicals: The Struggle to Shape America by Francis Fitzgerald.

Much more of a historical look at evangelicals than a theological look.

Like it's not, it's not told through a sympathetic Christian lens, which I think is okay.