Frances Edmonds

You know, you, you walk out there pretty much every time with ambition on your side and, you know, the intention to do well.

And that, that thing, sort of the words laid-back that Frances Edmonds made very famous, um, you know, so laid-back as to be almost comatose in one of her very entertaining books on those tours in the '80s, accompanying Phil Edmonds to the West Indies and India and Australia and places.

Um, I ne- I didn't take offense as that, you know, that at all.

It's, you know, it was actually-- I always thought it was quite a good thing to have because, you know, if people-- I mean, it's, it's a bit like sort of wild animals.