Forum for the Future

So these are also other kinds of pain points that we can't ignore because they can be very, very Very, very powerful.

As it happened, I've got a new podcast also coming out called Dancing with Systems with Sally Uren from Forum for the Future.

And we've just been editing the technology episode where we talked to Joel Makawa and other guests.

And he was talking about this backlash that's happening in the US against the server farms, against data centers.

I just didn't quite know what that was.

And, yeah, right after the pandemic, I think I just sort of was looking for internships, whatnot, and found this organization called Forum for the Future that had sort of like piloted this idea.

Or one of the first few champions in this space about 30 years ago in the UK got, again, as I've said in that quote, just very lucky with the kind of role I got, which was sort of sitting at many times.

And they were like, just run with it, like run with it.