Forrest Fleischman

But really quickly, I hope that everybody will forgive me for the quick self plug.

But this discussion about rangelands and kind of these ideas of land and how it should be used in what land needs to look like to be productive reminds me of an episode that we had on the Trees for Development podcast in 2023 with Forrest Fleischman.

So I'd say that if anybody is like really interested in this topic, besides the conversation that we're having right now, also give a quick listen to his episode.

He talks about this same issue, but within the context of India.