Fontbonne University

We've seen their buildings closing up.

Is it Fontbonne? They're gone now, right? And there have been other ones over the last few years that it's hard.

They used to advertise on television constantly.

I remember because of our law firm ads, our biggest competition on the air for airtime were always car dealerships and schools.

There's really high level programs, NAI, D3.

You know, my former associate head coach, Chris Forrest, he played Division III basketball at Fontbonne, went overseas and played in Belgium.

And you know that...

The line between a high-level Division III player and a high-level Division II, Division I, it's pretty thin.