It feels like based on the timeline of when you moved to L.A. and when I know that you started being interested in basketball, that you got to kind of develop your Lakers fandom at a kind of historically significant time in the franchise, the Showtime Lakers, right? Like that was around that same time.

Before that was when I fell in love with them.

Also, they weren't on TV much before that.

But when they got Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, it was first or second year.

And my family could never afford to, you know, buy tickets to a Laker game.

But my mom at her job at one point got, her boss gave her tickets and she took them to the game and I saw Kareem play.

And I just, I just fell in love with the guy and everything he would have, whenever he would talk or that people always talk about him as just being this like cold, aloof person.

When you hear a basketball player talk about like the flow state, for example, do you think of that as a spiritual state of being? And do you get to that place, do you think, when you're playing music as well?