Flavio Manzoni

This is super interesting, and I'm happy to put this out on a podcast.

I was invited by Flavio Manzoni, the director of design, who's a friend, down to Maranello there to give a talk about my work.

His design is playing a role? No, Flavio is

the director of design for Ferrari.

And I think that was intentional from Ferrari.

I mean, Flavio Manzoni had a hand in that, too.

He's Ferrari's chief designer.

But it's very Apple inside, right? You look at the center console, you look at all the switch gear.