Fish brine

So that's going to be the last discussion of the daf.

So again, picking up from Amar Le, so just to catch us up a little bit over here, we learned yesterday, back on Chavbez Amar Aleph, that if one buys tzir from an Amar Areth, they quote it from Rabbi Yehuda Naseeh, If a person buys fish brine from an Amaretz, so the Tzir itself is not Mekabal Tumah because it's not an Ochel.

The water that it's mixed with is Mekabal Tumah.

But you don't know if there's rove water or roved Tzir.

So the Tzir that you buy from them, you have to do a Shaka'an.

So Tanan Hassam, we have a Mishnah, Mesechas Mechshirin.

Reb Lezrin Yaakov Omer, Tzir Toher, if you have the Tzir of the fish brine, that when you salt it and it gets mixed with some water, that you buy from Lama Aretz, and you're metahirit by doing what we said yesterday, by doing hashaka in a mikvah, shanaf al tocha mayim kol shu, and then a drop of water falls into it, tameh.

Now the tzir goes back to being tameh.

Who's asking the question? It's not exactly clear who's asking the question.

Anyways, what are we questioning? Okay, so we saw yesterday a meimra, we saw where Shlokesh says, Okay, so we talked about if a person purchases fish brine from an Am Ha'aretz.

Now, we assume that anything purchased from an Am Ha'aretz is Tammet.

So now, you purchased fish brine from Anama Arts.

We're going to see later on, on today's doc, that they would mix fish brine with water.

Now, fish brine, we said, Rasha said yesterday, it's like if you salt fish, so like...

the liquid that is extracted from the fish in the salting process, that's the fish brine.

Now, fish brine is not considered ochel, it's considered zeya ba'alma, like just sweat of the fish, and it's not considered ochel, and therefore it doesn't become tami with tumas ochlin, so it doesn't become tami.

Rashi says, as long as it's in the mother's body, it is fit.

Either people would eat it, some guy would eat it and even if they wouldn't eat it it's considered part of the like part of the mother and therefore you can't say that it's it's um uh that it that it's not fit at all for a uh for a guy so um even though right now you might say it's not fit that nobody would eat it but it was fit at least at one point we learn also again similar we had before but here's how you did we imagine yesterday the case of it's here it's here is fish brine Right, so you had some fish brine.

Fish brine is not considered one of the seven liquids which comes tomate, which is tomate drop on it.

And therefore, it's moshul kabotuma, but it's not tomate by itself.

The water, certainly if it's touched by a goy or by an amaretz, it could be mokabotuma.

A small amount of water fell in there, tomate.

In other words, the idea of saying that it reawakens the other water in there.

What do you mean? What other water? You just said you're talking about fish brine, not water.

Se'ar tahor.

If you have se'ar, which is fish brine, Shenaval l'socha mayim, that mayim falls into it.

Shenaval l'socha mayim kol shu, that some mayim falls into it.

Um, in other words, the se'ar was initially tamei se'ar that you purchased from an Ami Ha'aretz.

And this is in the pathway of the [foreign language].

Yesterday we learned that if someone buys fish brine from the Non-Jewish neighbor and we assume that the, that it's, that the Non-Jewish neighbor's tummin, he contaminates all the liquids.

Yeah.

But his brine doesn't become tame, it's only water.

Okay.

Now, now we learn Rabbi Eliezer ben Yaakov.

"Metzir toh," uh, brine of a fish, fish brine from an ignoramus who's assumed to be tameh.

So I just, uh, d- kiss it in the mikvah, touch it in the mikvah, and then I can, I can use it.

Let's go back to one more halacha batzir.

If you have tzir, remember we said the tzir was fish brine, and it's fish brine that had, part of the recipe is putting water into it.

The fish brine itself, we said it's not an echel at all, not metamituma, not makabotuma at all, but the water in it is.

So if you have tzir tar, sh'nofotechem mayim kol shuhu, So a little bit of water falls into it.

So this was the halacha of chayza v'neir.

It could have been eaten with the mother, and therefore it was Chazi Agav the Imei.

Let's talk about the Mishnah in the sixth parakh of Makhshiren, where we talked about yesterday about the fish brine.

If let's say this, if a small amount of water goes in, it will be Tameh.

Because we're talking about with Tzir that's owned by an Amaretz, as we talked about yesterday.

Now, what's the issue? So, we know that Amaratzim are not trusted regarding Tomei and Tyra, and so we assume that any food that we get from an Amaratz is Tomei.

So, where he has the fish brine, what does he do with it? He does Hashaka in water, and it's Tomei.

Either which way you look at it, it's going to be okay.

Why? So we speak this out.

If you want to say the majority of this fish brine is not actually fish brine, but it's water.

So then once he did Hashaka, he was mataharit.

Hashaka is the way of being matahar, tamay water.

He can't matahar them.