First Congo War

Um, and it allows Kabila to be the face of it.

And the tragic thing is is that this is just a real, uh, it's just a sort of cycle of history in that nine- i- in the 1990s, late 1990s, the First Congo War, uh, was effectively Rwanda, still at the time led by Paul Kagame, so he's still around, backing a guy called Laurent Kabila, who was Joseph Kabila's father, to invade the DRC and then overthrow the government there.

Um, and we're here however many decades later.

Mm.

Yeah.

And I tried to ...

I was, when I was researching, I was trying to understand how in the First Congo War, it was the same.

They came in from Rwanda, and the capital of the DRC is, like, way on the other side of the country.