Filioque

And the Son.

Filioque means and the Son.

So originally the Nicene Creed says the Spirit proceeds from the Father.

That was in 325, reaffirmed in 381.

Yes

... their, their post, uh, Filioque retardation.

Right.

And at the same time, in Byzantium, if people were converted from out of Islam, they had to renounce Islam as a damnable heresy.

Um, but, uh, other than that, there was the Saint Hillary quote, and that was, um...

Uh, basically it was talking about, uh, eternal manifestation.

But because, uh, Noah's a Roman Catholic, he doesn't believe in that, so he was reading Filioque into it.

Um, other than that, there w- most of the debate was basically, you know, the average Filioque debate.

You'll come across this in debates between Catholics and Orthodox on the Council of Florence.

Did Basil teach the Filioque or not? Well, depends on whose manuscript you're consulting.

Did this council, uh, teach the papacy or not? Depends on which manuscript you're consulting.

Um, again, you'll know that when you get into the Catholic versus Orthodox debates.

That's why I don't know, all right? Yeah, I'm sorry.

I, uh, we, we, we added that Filioque.

Anyway, we did a whole episode on the schism.

You should check it out.

I see Leo being very...

I, I think it's what was going on with the Filioque Clause stuff that he did, where they...

Rome actually quoted the Nicene Creed without the Filioque.

And historically, both sides anathematized the other side to hell for, over the Filioque, and other things, but that in particular.

And so, you know, if...

Th- there's been anathema- anathematizing for all sorts of stuff between East and West.

Um, you know, that's just throwing history out, out the window.

Um, but yeah, I don't, I don't s- there are too many Eastern Orthodox and too many Roman Catholics that just aren't gonna go that direction, and allow for...

So if you're Orthodox, you're still welcome.

Filioque aside, we're good.

Well, my idea is everybody here has been quite friendly with each other across disciplinary boundaries, across... across confessional boundaries.

And so it's a really fascinating place to see people who are deeply involved in what they're doing, but who are also interested in reaching out and sort of sharing with other people in the kind of space that we offer at our conferences and through other events and podcasts and the like.

... a Latter-day Saint.

And then there's episodes of us of maybe six or nine months ago saying, "Actually, because of the Filioque, we would be Orthodox."

Or Anglican or something.

And now we've been pretty...